Preparing – “Lanston Tanyi, a LB who missed much of last season for an unspecified university issue, is back with the team. So is Kendall Lamm, an OT who was dismissed for a conduct issue. LB Justin Wray, who missed last season recovering from shoulder injury, and RB Rod Chisholm, who sat out for academic reasons, are expected to participate.”
PAUSE. Given the tenor of the comments, we’re debating suspending any more on this thread. We have no clue as to the specifics of why players were suspended last year, or why one is suddenly back on the roster. We are not comfortable with the named accusations on this thread, given that there is no public confirmation of anything. We will only add that is it our understanding that students can accuse peers of misconduct under the school’s code of student conduct. These accusations are then heard in a type of student or campus court. Many drug and alcohol offenses are treated this way, which allows the university to keep such offenses out of the public record. We understand that various people know so-and-so who talked to whatshisname and know the real deal. Unless there’s a public record or legal document attached to the rumor, please refrain from spreading it here.
Hopefully Lamm can stay off the Twitter machine and focus all his energy on football this time around…
Assuming all the issues with the players are worked out this is great news. Depth at RB and two more big bodies for the defense is always a plus.
From a link on the twitter feed to the right…
“Appalachian State: I have learned that Ole Miss defensive grad assistant Bryan Brown has accepted a position on the defensive side of the ball at Appalachian State. Sources tell me that Brown will coach either the corners or safeties.”
http://coachingsearch.com/coaching-search-ticker.html
Yeah baby. Things are looking up for this fall at The Rock.
I haven’t felt this good since 2009.
LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
Do you notice one name missing from the list of returing players???? Ed Gainey.
Gainey was a senior…
So is AE. He is not on there anywhere … DARN
I have a feeling this fall is going to be our time to take ourselves back to the top. Tanyi, Lamm, and Chisholm are all crucial to that. Also am Glad LT’s back we need him badly
Happy about Tanyi, not so much about Lamm. Everyone knows McClain was an ass, but you don’t go slandering the school on a VERY public forum. Not the kind of juju we need.
Anyway, this just might be the strongest linebacking corps in the FCS. ECU better start worrying.
I thot Gainey was a Jr…My bad.
Spring Game! Spring Game! Spring Game! Gotta have it.
The pieces, which started falling apart at the very beginning of last season, are back in place.
Good to get these guys back, good recruiting class, and much needed coaching overhaul.
Next season should be the start of something great.
Amen to that brothers, one question I heard that Chris Moore is still on the team!
2012 should be a great start to all good things to come if we stay healthy, out of trouble, I think alot of the mistrust had to do with some of the coaching staff, I am surprized that coach moore did not step in and give McClain a talking to about the way he was treating the players, but that is the past and he and the bad blood not all so to speak are out the door, better for us to start over and get some fresh meat in the mix, 2012 should be exciting for sure!!
Class of 95 Football & Baseball
Chris Moore and Bob McClain’s contracts were not renewed. Time to look forward to next year.
App95, I heard personally from a player on the line that they ALL got together and went to talk to coach moore about the situation close to the beginning of the season. He told them to grow up. Evidently he was so blinded by something else, that he thought an entire position of players were immature and being babies. I’m happy he’s gone, but that’s inexcusable for JM to do. Evidently McClain was an absolute tool.
If that happened, I would think trust issues would remain with JM and those players . . . unless some fences have been mended and egos set aside recently . . .
Great to have Justin Wray back. I agree… a very good LB corp for next year. Coaches and players have a lot to prove this coming season. There is no lack of motivating factors. Hopefully all have learned their lessons! We shall see….
Personally I am glad that the couple of players, especially Kendall Lamm, seemed to be forgiven. He apparently sought redemption and received it. That is a good thing for him and society in general.
Today we are going to start running the table in Southern Conference men’s basketball. And I will be there to see it happen.
wasnt justin wray a preseason all american last year
In America, you are innocent until proven guilty 84. He is back now that his name has been cleared. Get a F***ing clue. It’s unbelievable you would make a comment like that when you know absolutely nothing about the situation.
APP84, your ignorance is not welcome on this site. I come on here mainly to read, but I refuse to let you belittle the young men or the program in that manner when you don’t know the facts.
I bet you were pulling for Coco and screaming his name on Saturdays after what he did. You’re right; how dare I make a comment about the young men of this fine program?
I miss CoCo.
How’s that glass house treating you 84?
I have no insight into the whole Tanyi situation, BUT I do know one of Gainey’s old coaches. All he knew was that there was an unsubstantiated accusation. Absolutely no evidence from what he heard and the authorities told them it would probably be dropped. There were also supposed to be a roomful of witnesses that did not back-up what the accuser was saying, if it went any further. I can not say that is the complete truth … I do not know, and I’m sure he was only getting 1 half of the story, but it would seem to be in-line with what has happened. All I can say for certain is that I’m happy to live in a country where you are legally innocent before guilty, but in the world of the public, everyne seems to be guilty first. Not saying they didn’t do anything, once again I don’t know, but I DO know how the whole Duke Lacrosse situation turned out and that taught me a lesson.
From a purely football view, I think Wray will be the biggest story here. It will be a monster defense with Kimbrough and Wray manning the middle … if we have a NG that can demand the double like our guys did last year. Lamm might blossom this year as well, now that he’ll get have an actual coach for his position.
Speaking of d-line, anyone esle notice that William Corbin has been moved to OL? He has always showed great athletiscm, but not the motivation on D, might be a good fresh start. Would be a beast tackle.
Rick’s right.
Glad to know Appalachian State supports rapists. These men should not be allowed back on the team. Appalachian State has hidden this from everyone, the coaches and university knows the truth. NONE of you above know the facts. Its sad that our society will openly believe rapists before the victimS (yes plural) Maybe you all should think about the victims and their families. Besides these overrated athletes.
I know the facts (I personally know 1 of the victims), my daughter is a current student and I am an alumnus. It’s a shame that that 4 football players can rape women and then 3 of them be allowed back on the team. As information, Lanston was found guilty (along with Ed Gainey) in student court. How can you be found guilty in student court, be suspended from school for a minimum of 8 semesters and then be allowed back in school and on the football team?
“unspecified university issue”…..sounds like this “fine football program” is trying to hide something. It’s so sad that a school holds football over the health and safety of their students.
Who would want to attend a school that allows such MONSTERS to take leadership positions. Athletes are suppose to have charactertics that make them a leaders. Having these individuals play for this magicant school is a disgrace. Even though their football players, “THEY” still should be accountable for their actions. Someone in the administration department dropped the ball. If this was any other university this S*** would not have happen!!!!
You bunch of flippin’ yahoos must all be smokin’ from the same crack pipe if you think you can convence us that the university and the state are turning their cheeks and allowing a rapist to go free. If you were not at the scene of the aleged crime then you should not be here flappin’ your gums in public. And since you care so very much why don’t you tell us what you are doing to get this “rapist” convicted?
That is a stupid statement. It happenes at the majority of Div 1 programs. We are cleaner than most. With that said I am ashamed that we also allow this. It will only get worse as we move forward. The more money involved the more risks that coaches and administrators take. Let me make this clear. It is not all about just moving to FBS it is the money that goes along with that.
I’m sorry if you’re too uneducated to understand that rape isn’t a joke or something to be easily dismissed. Valuing your favorite college football team over the health and safety of multiple human beings is pathetic. The aftermath of rape follows survivors for the rest of their lives and affects everything they experience. No one deserves to be violated like that, and there’s no excuse that these men should get away with the crimes they committed.
Sideline-”That is a stupid statement. It happenes at the majority of Div 1 programs.”
With that side, I feel sorry for you sisters, cousins, or your kids one day that have to attend a college where things like this happen. You know….”Since it happens at the majority of Div 1 programs.”
Agreed. Also, I could care less if it “happens at the majority of Div 1 programs”… that doesn’t make it any less horrible or rid the school of responsibility in seeking justice for and supporting the victims and their families.
Forgive me of my ignorance but has anything been done in “real” court? I trust the judgement of students about the same as I trust a jiffy lube mechanic…..(seriously not trying to stir the pot but think that is an important perspective.
A.freeman- For your information the student conduct board consist of mainly professors and most of the overriding decisions have been made by the chancellor to the dean of students!
Learn how to read. Then go back and read what I said. Nowhere did I defend the scumbags that would violate a woman. It is just stupid to say this would not happen at any other university. Just plain STUPID. That attitude is what allows it to happen. With that STUPID attitude how dare you question how I feel about the subject. That other idiot that commented also needs to learn how to read. It is a very serious problem all across the country and people like you are a big part of the problem when you deny that it is not a wide spread problem. Due to the problem that you have your head in the sand this will really tick you off. There are a number of girls out there who are not helping the problem by way of their actions around some of these guys. If you really want to make an impact work on that problem also. Their actions are not an excuse for these guys but it sure does not help.
Whatever you decide to do please stop stupid statements like, If this was any other university this S*** would not have happen!!!! because that makes you an idiot!
So the accusation is that the university (all the way up to Chancellor Peacock) is involved in a coverup involving multiple rapes?
I don’t know what happened. However, I would encourage anybody who has evidence of such action to take it to the authorities. If the authorities are “in on it too” then go to the newspapers. I’m certain that any reporter in Winston, Charlotte or Raleigh would love to have that evidence.
Roberts56,
Of what, exactly, were Tanyi and Gainey found guilty in student court? Where can this guilty verdict be verified?
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“All I can say for certain is that I’m happy to live in a country where you are legally innocent before guilty, but in the world of the public, everyne seems to be guilty first. Not saying they didn’t do anything, once again I don’t know, but I DO know how the whole Duke Lacrosse situation turned out and that taught me a lesson.”
–Rick, February 5, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Wise words Rick, wise words indeed.
Sexual assault
Its been brought to authorities attention. The problem is Boone is protecting Appalachian.
Has there been any public discussion of this outside of blog comments? Because, if you’re convinced about something like this, you should be picketing KBS.
The guys who were found to be guilty SHOULD NOT be allowed back on campus for the 8 semesters their sentences dictated from the student court. How this has happened infuriates me! There were two victims who chose to put themselves through hell to bring this to the university’s attention. I am confident there are others based on the accounts of the girls. Seems they moved and operated in packs which is subhuman to me. Appalachian State needs to consider what they are doing here for the sake of a game and MONEY! Beware all females in Boone – they are back!
Beware ALL females at all schools. This problem is bigger than Boone. This is a national problem. If you feel that this is legitimate and Boone is covering it up you need to go to the state police. You need to do that today. If you have evidence and do not take this further you are a big part of the problem. I love CP but if he is covering this up he needs to explain himself.
Now to something sideline said. This is to ALL female students. I have no idea about the circumstances in this particular situation so it is not directed at them. Ladies, you need to watch the position you are getting yourselves into. You need to protect yourselves. I have seen time and again ladies that I am saying to myself ” what in the hell are you thinking?” You just can’t always think that some guys are going to do the right thing. DON’T DO DUMB STUFF. STAY OUT OF BAD SITUATIONS.
clayton
February 8, 2012 at 6:17 am
Has there been any public discussion of this outside of blog comments? Because, if you’re convinced about something like this, you should be picketing KBS.
I am glad you said it before I could clayton. If this situation is truly as bad as many seem to state, then I think the more prudent course of action would be to begin by contacting folks like Cobb and Peacock to convey your concerns. I do not doubt that you are all very passionate about this situation and that needs to be voiced to those who make these decisions. I am not taking a side, as I have zero first-hand knowledge of anything that has taken place. The point I am making is simply that the individuals in charge need to know that not everyone will simply allow them to make decisions if they are not what is best for the ENTIRE UNIVERSITY.
As information, I sent an email to Chancellor Peacok voicing my concerns. I encourage everyone else to do the same!
Ironically, after reading this article I had a conversation with the sister of a former ASU player. She recently also attended ASU and had a very enlightening perspective on things. Her opinion is that more of these situations take place than are reported because the students keep them under wraps. The administration does not hear about them due to the belief within the student body that things should be kept quiet. The reality is that off-the-field actions need to be addressed with ALL STUDENT ATHLETES and they need to be held to the highest standards. I am not going to single out one sport, because this has its roots in other areas as well.
Well said Jamey. This is not an ASU football problem. This is a much wider situation than that, and again all across the country.
#1 we are outraged by the decision to let 2 football players return to spring training after being found GUILTY in student court of raping two girls last year. ALL GIRLS NEED TO BEWARE they are back on campus!
Does anyone happen to have quick access to the following email addresses:
Charlie Cobb
Chancellor Peacock
Jerry Moore
I believe that it would be worth the time to send an email to request some information on this situation. While they may not share this with us, it is necessary to let these gentlemen know that there is concern among the alumni of this university. Perhaps they could shed some light on the decision to allow player back on the field if the information provided above is true.
I’m sure people are well aware that situations like this happen outside of Boone. But something has to be done NOW. And with the sensitivity of this issue. I think this is a good start to stopping something very bad.
As someone else stated if those of you who have truthful details of actual rapes that are being covered up are not going beyond campus and Boone PD to get these guys convicted then you are enabling them. Please do something.
goAPPs!- “If someone breaks into a house, do you blame the owner for having a house that looks appetizing?”
Could you be more ignorant, please? Also, no one gives a f*** that you’re white.
goAPPs!
February 8, 2012 at 10:48 pm
I am a female senior here at ASU and was close to Lanston Tanyi our freshman and sophomore year. I would like to stand up and say no one on this post knows the whole story. None of us were there that night. As a white female student here at ASU, I feel as though the girl who was supposedly “raped” probably was asking for it. She probably, drunkenly, agreed to sex and, sure, it may have gotten out of hand, who knows! But before people go pointing fingers at the males.. The ladies have just as much fault in their poor decisions.
The law does not recognize saying yes to consequential sex when a female is under the influence. Doesn’t matter if you were close to him two years; people change every day. Obviously Langston changed a lot over the past 2 years. Since he was able to convince you of saying something so ignorant that I’m disgusted your even part of the female race!
Not victim blaming. Not blaming ANYONE. Just posing an idea. I never said it didn’t happen. I was simply trying to state that NONE OF US WERE THERE !
goAPPS! – so what did you exactly mean by saying they were “probably asking for it” ? Sounds like blaming the victimS to me!
I am just saying, I’ve been to parties, etc. up here, I see how these girls act.
you mean to tell me that all of you with “first hand knowledge” were there and let them rape the girls? you are all disgusting.
goAPPs! — you are really showing your ignorance now! No matter “how a girl acts”, it does not give a guy the right to rape a woman!!! Under no circumstance, is right justified!
Sorry I made a type — under no circumstance is rape justified!
goAPPS- Please get informed before you post something like that. 1) If a girl consents to sex under the influence of alcohol, it is still considered rape. 2) just because you flirt with a guy or even tease him does not mean you consent to having sex with him. I know you are trying to defend your friend, but I’m trying to defend mine as well who is one of the victims. If you ever meet one of these girls you could see the irreversible pain that has been placed in their lives.
APP STATE FOOTBALL FANS, and really anyone, to be honest. . . Read this, pass it along, do SOMETHING.
Last spring, FIVE of our “finest” forcibly raped a young woman in SUCCESSION. The following semester, TWO of those FIVE struck again, forcibly raping yet another student. When these girls came forward, they were treated as heretics. Following an uphill battle that never should have been nece…ssary, the “accusations” were brought to the attention of the student court. From there, ED GAINEY and LANSTON TANYI were found GUILTY, while the rest essentially went free. What happened to the two found guilty? Oh, right. . . they were suspended for 8 months, told that they were “victims of the system” because it was “interrupting their school and academic progress,” and reinstated in time for next year’s football season.
As a criminal justice major, no- forget that- as a member of the human race, I can’t find any tactful way to put this. . . Frankly, I’m pissed off that the great institution of Appalachian State University would hide such an event from its students in order to save face and their football team. How many other “unspecified university issue(s)” have we allowed to pass with no semblance of justice to be seen? How many more will we allow?
I’ll answer that one for you- NO EQUAL, App State? How about NO MORE.
If a female is immune to accountability of giving consent if she is drunk, then is a male also not immune to accountability of requesting consent if he is also drunk?
Well said, David. As an alumnus, I am appalled that the university I love would allow this travesty! I have emailed Chancellor Peacock and Charlie Cobb and I encourage all alumni and students to do the same.
Does any of those who are posting details about this situation have a link to any documented findings of the student court?
those student court findings are secret and won’t ever be public unfortunetly
I’m pretty sure you can’t view case summaries for the student conduct cases. It would probably be violating confidentiality.
Again, if you’re going to make serious claims, you better back them up. I’m seeing names I don’t recognize claiming that students were raped by football players and something called “student court” convicted two players.
I’ve never dealt with student court, but it seems like they shouldn’t be handling rape cases. They should probably stick to plagiarism or whatever it is they do. This is a criminal issue. Real courts should handle it. If a real court dismissed it, and you guys feel like that was a mistake, do more than post on a blog about it.
At this point, all you’re doing is assassinating the character of a few young men. You’re spreading horrible rumors. You’re trolling.
If you really have strong convictions about this, then for F’s sake, do something about it. Peacock, Cobb, and Moore aren’t hard to find. It is not hard to draw attention to something in Boone. So, actually do something about it. But, if you’re just talking trash on a blog, shut up.
Clayton- Once again you are bringing it back to these “young men”. They have NOT suffered any sort of trouble or hardship. They have succeeded in keeping this quiet. Maybe you should consider how much its torn apart the lives of the two victims, who brought this forward.
Sounds like the SBI needs to investigate the Boone Police Dept and the Campus. It is so stupid for a University to allow these player’s even to remain in school. They should disappear and never be seen or heard from again.
Rape is wrong.
Student Court isn’t real court.
No one wants rapist on the football team.
People who say they know what happened ussually do not know what happened. They think they know what happened.
I know “these young men” exist. If victims exist, then I don’t care about “these young men.” We’re on a blog. This isn’t real life. Do something real and I’ll listen.
Sombody is full of crap. I don’t know who it is but SOMBODY is full of crap. This is not something that goes to a student court and is resolved there. If you think the Boone police department is involved in a coverup then this need to blow up right now. I don’t believe the above story BUT if it is true and you have not done anything about it you are pond scum. you are lower than Joe Paterno. I do believe these things happen but I just don’t believe the above story about the student court.
I will say this. If half the above story is true Chancellor Peacock, Charlie Cobb, and Coach Moore need to be prosecuted and the football program disbanded. I just don’t think that half that story is true. It makes a mockery of the real cases that need the attention to solve this problem.
Gwalt
Clayton
sideline
+1
PAUSE. Given the tenor of the comments, we’re debating suspending any more on this thread. We have no clue as to the specifics of why players were suspended last year, or why one is suddenly back on the roster. We are not comfortable with the named accusations on this thread, given that there is no public confirmation of anything. We will only add that is it our understanding that students can accuse peers of misconduct under the school’s code of student conduct. These accusations are then heard in a type of student or campus court. Many drug and alcohol offenses are treated this way, which allows the university to keep such offenses out of the public record. We understand that various people know so-and-so who talked to whatshisname and know the real deal. Unless there’s a public record or legal document attached to the rumor, please refrain from spreading it here.
Everyone needs to remember, it’s not just 1 case. There are 2 separate cases, occured at 2 different times/places and involved 2 different women!
Allegedly.
Appfan
+1
I will simply say that the account posted on Facebook (posted above) was written by a friend and myself. I am personally very close to BOTH of these girls. They have taken this to court; however, DNA testing takes a year (or more) to return back with results. Until then, the DA is waiting to go forward with the cases. It will be at LEAST a year before formal charges are made. Please, as a student of Appalachian State (and as a student that loves this school), address this. We can make a difference. We have to start somewhere. Parents and students alike are feeling as though they (or their children) have little protection. This is by no means a “conspiracy theory.” What happened in student court was that one was found guilty, suspended, and then let back onto campus (pending an appeal); however, the other was never found guilty (founded on witnesses that were also football players that had “nothing to gain or lose” according to the appeal–and yes, I have personally read the appeal). These appeals are now left to be either approved or denied by one woman, who is also the same woman who told these players that they were the “victims” in this situation. This is no “conspiracy” so please do not misunderstand. We are in no way saying that Boone PD/Watauga Sheriff’s Dept. are covering this up–they have done their jobs to the best of their abilities; however, the school has a skewed system in which to address student misconduct, and THIS is the issue we NEED to resolve.
That being said, please direct any inquires to:
Chancellor Peacock
(828) 262-2040
peacockke@appstate.edu
Or Charlie Cobb (Athletic Director)
cobbcg@appstate.edu
appstate13 — Well said; however, one correction –in 1 case, 2 football players were found guilty. In the other case, 1 football player (also found guilty in the 1st case) and 1 student who is a non-athlete were found guilty.
“DNA testing takes a year (or more) to return back with results. Until then, the DA is waiting to go forward with the cases. It will be at LEAST a year before formal charges are made.”
Hmm. It doesn’t seem like it should take over a year.
“How long does it take to complete a forensic case?
The standard turnaround time is 4 weeks. Expedited processing is available”
If it takes a year and a half for them to get a DNA test… it sounds like you should be directing some of your anger toward Boone PD, Boone District Attorney’s office, etc.
I think that if they had evidence of a rape… there would be charges. I really doubt it would take them more than a year to get DNA results.
There is a problem in internal school investigations like this of a presumption of male guilt.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903596904576516232905230642.html
Tanyi, Gainey, and whoever else are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
forgot to include the link from the source saying forensic DNA matching takes about a month… with expedited services available.
http://www.forensicdnacenter.com/forensic-faqs2.html
asdfasdf- believe what you want. you will soon see and know the truth. And then your ignorance will be clear.
These details may not be correct. But it doesn’t change the fact that they raped these women.
i’m not believing anything one way or the other. i don’t have all the facts. and i certainly wouldn’t believe someone to be a rapist off of posts on facebook or a comments section of a sports site.
we are getting ONE side of the story here through posts by people who are close (and, therefore biased) to the alleged victim(s). i don’t know if they raped the girl(s) or not. but, we have a justice system with the presumption of INNOCENCE.
gainey and tanyi haven’t been convicted of anything in a court of law. if y’all want to see justice for your friends or whoever… pressure the DA to PRESS CHARGES.
Mounting an internet campaign to get them kicked off the football team is hollow. If y’all want actual justice through the court system… you would be posting the Watauga County District Attorney’s address instead of Charlie Cobb and Peacock’s address. It seems to me that y’all want them kicked off the football team more than you want them tried in a court of law. Why?
asdfasdf- If you had any idea how many rape kits go completely untested and left in a closet for years, it would blow your mind. So many women never receive justice because this tragedy happens way too often, and way too little attention is paid to it. Just for future reference:
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-state-agencies/department-of-public-safety/thousands-of-texas-rape-kits-never-tested/
so now apparently the rape kits in this case are locked away in a closet unexamined.
again, may i ask why the outrage is being directed at peacock, charlie cobb, etc. and not the DISTRICT ATTORNEY, BOONE POLICE, etc.?
Are you wanting Peacock to test the rape kits?
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Why do I get the sick feeling that this will end up on the news and the reputation of ASU is about to take a serious hit? It would seem to me that there should have been some acknowledgement by the administration or athletic department that there was a situation and the outcome. Of course, getting info from those sources is like asking Jimmy Hoffa what kind of coffee he likes. It sickens me that this kind of situation could have potentially ever taken place on the campus that I spent the best 4 years of my life on.
Put simply, I think it is time for someone to start addressing this situation before it ends up becoming a much more public situation than it already has. No one wins in that scenario. Not the alleged victims, not the alleged aggressors, not the university.
asdfasdf- I wasn’t saying that the rape kit is locked in a closet. you second guessed appstate13 in how long it takes for DNA testing from a rape kit to come in. Just thought you should learn some facts. Not every trial is pushed straight through to testing and court like you see on TV.
AGAIN: if you’re upset about it not going to trial or the length of time it will take to go to trial… why don’t you direct the outrage toward Boone PD and the District Attorney?
Just a correction, the campaign on facebook is simply to raise awareness. NOWHERE is it stated that the desired outcome is to have the players removed from the team. While I would personally support that, it is up to the public to influence the administration’s decision- not me personally.
I have taken the time to email Charlie Cobb and Chancellor Peacock to bring to light my concern with this whole situation. I do not claim to know any first hand knowledge, but I feel that some form of acknowledgement is due by our administration. I hope that others will voice their concerns with the handling of this. Let’s stop blaming everyone and start trying to find our the true story of what has taken place.
File a criminal complaint
File a civil suit
Go to women,s advocacy groups
Go to the state law officials SBI and state your case.
use every means possible to prove your case against the people who were involved.
if after what happened at Penn State and the allegations are true and the administration is looking the other way then they deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Charlie Cobb and Chancellor Peacock need to ensure that our athletes are held to a higher standard and any poor behavior results in an immediate revocation of scholarships and expulsion forever from the school.
Use all the resources available to you under due process to bring this to conclusion. Lastly how can a student court hear a sexual assault case? That should be referred to the authorities. I would also suggest that student groups form a rape crisis task force to support victims and get them to the authorities.
I also caution those of you who do not have 1st hand knowledge of this or any situation to refrain from fanning the flames that could hurt innocent people. Let the system outside of the school handle this but monitor the system
anyone arguing for due process guaranteed to citizens of the united states … 3 claps.
I have no idea whether these allegations are accurate or not and truth be told, there are only the ones involved that do.
in the united states you are innocent until proven guilty. it has been said several times but is worth being reiterated, if you have knowledge of a coverup, evidence or proof of your claim, or anything that could be substantially or even marginally helpful in an investigation then it needs to be taken directly to the appropriate authority. be it the local police, state police, sbi, whoever you have to take it to make it happen. if you are spreading hearsay, stop.
Listen to that last comment.
I tend to agree that ppl in the USA are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Having sat on a few of these student courts, I never signed a non-disclosure form, and have a hard time believing that that many people–likely a few females in the room–did not go to the police. I can find no court or arrest record involving Gainey or Tanyi. And why would this go to student court AT ALL — rape, even intent to, is a felony in most states? Still, I remember Coach Moore’s odd comment after the Maine loss: (lightly paraphrasing) “This has been the most difficult year I’ve had here,” and he then mentioned some off-field issues. It SEEMS there’s fire behind the smoke, but it’s unclear the source of the flames. The culture of secrecy from the administration at App State is decades old and spans numerous chancellors and ADs. It is time Peacock, the fundraiser-in-chief, to speak about this situation if he wants to keep asking us, the cherished alumni that comprise the Appalachian Family, to meet his lofty fundraising goals. I’m emailing Peacock now, and I urge others to do the same.
This thread needs to be closed. Period. It is has gotten out of hand.
asu7 might be right. but it’s time to turn up the heat on Peacock. email blitz the fundraiser-in-chief.
Regardless of athletic team affiliation, student group affiliation, or otherwise, it sounds as if University Policy does not adequately address student status while under investigation of a felony. If it does, then the adherence to those policies seem to be in question.
Something doesn’t add up here…..DNA tests do not take a year to process. Worst case scenario it takes 2-3 weeks to get results. If the alleged incidents occurred last year, more than enough time has elapsed to have tests returned and charges filed if deemed appropriate.
As a member of the Student Judiciary back in the day, we did not handle criminal cases that more properly belonged in the judicial system. Any allegations as serious as rape would not be referred to the student court….these are felony charges, not student disciplinary issues. Something is bogus about some of these allegations made here.
Dan72 — Student Court does listen to sexual assault (rape) cases. My daughter is friends with 1 of the victims and attended Student Court with her on her case.
I can not think of a more stupid place for an assault case to be heard. Who there has the ability to handle such a case. If this is true sombody from outside the university needs to investigate out student court system.
Last spring, four of our football players (plus one friend) sexually assaulted a young woman in succession—2 were charged with rape. The following semester, two of those five struck again, forcibly raping yet another student. Following an uphill battle that never should have been necessary, the accusations were brought to the attention of the student court. From there, two were found guilty while the rest essentially went free. The two students found guilty were originally suspended for 8 semesters, but later the decision was appealed due to a loophole in the conduct board hearing process, and both of them were allowed back on campus. In addition, the one that was not a senior is back on the football roster for the upcoming season. Even more appalling is the issue of the lack of notification by Appalachian administration when these men were allowed back on campus—neither of the victims were notified, and were both surprised and frightened when they were made known of the boys’ return only after running into them on campus. Both men have “no-contact” orders for each of these girls, which have since been violated on numerous occasions with little/no repercussions to the perpetrators; for example, just this morning, one of the young men sat at the same table as one of the victims, clearly in an attempt to intimidate and frighten her—it worked.
Both of these girls took their concerns to the Watauga County Sheriff’s office, where formal charges are pending. Now, the appeals sent from both of these girls, in addition to the appeals made by these young men (appeals sent to student court), are at the sole custody of the Vice Chancellor of Student Development (Cindy Wallace), who has also been quoted telling these football players that they were the real “victims” of the system, and that it was “their academic progress that was being interrupted.” As a sole entity, she has the power to decide which appeals to accept, and which to deny (or in some cases, decide if a new committee is required to make a final decision). The simple fact that she has take the stance that these men were “victims” warrants great concern, considering (as I mentioned before) she has the final say on each of these appeals. It was also her [sole] decision to terminate the temporary suspension for these men after they had filed their appeals: “I know that the staff in our office of student conduct have communicated to [the victim] our concern for her welfare, and I do not believe that my decision to terminate the temporary suspension of the two accused students has compromised her safety.”
We, as a concerned student body, are reaching out to as many sources as possible in order to address these issues. We feel that this issue would have been resolved (in favor of the true victims) if these men were not football players. As a criminal justice major, I spend much of my time analyzing society and why people commit crimes. After three years of schooling, it is overwhelmingly clear that we live in a “rape culture”—it is one of few offenses in which we demonize the victim and attempt to blame them for any part of the assault. It is no mystery that criminal courts have traditionally analyzed a woman’s past sexual history in order to establish whether or not a rape could have occurred (after all, why would we want to believe a prostitute or a wife could be raped?). This alone should warrant pause, and it has come to our attention that our school systems are treating student misconduct in a similar manner. In another situation, an RA (Resident Assistant) at our university was sexually assaulted, and brought many concerns/glaring issues with the administrative system to the attention of our Chancellor Kenneth Peacock. After two emails, she did not (and has yet to) receive any response.
It is time for the injustices of major universities to cease. The cover-ups for athletic programs has stooped to an ultimate low, and as a student of Appalachian State, I am very disappointed in how this has been handled. We have received little-to-no response to any of our attempted contact with the university, and it is time that the administration be held responsible for the fear and unease felt by these women on a daily basis. One victim has since withdrawn from school, and the other has had to miss class and work due to anxiety attacks. This is just one of many times in which these attacks have interfered with these girls’ every day lives; however, it is the emotional scars that these women will bear the rest of their lives that are most upsetting.
“And this we should believe: that hope and volition can bring us closer to our ultimate goal: justice for all, injustice for no one.”
-Eyvind Johnson
Dear Dr. Peacock,
I am writing to you, the Chancellor of ASU, to ask you some very candid questions. My niece was sexually assaulted by 2 football players from ASU this past fall. She herself is on a sports team at ASU. I am disgusted that you and your faculty have not done anything to help my niece or the other young student that was sexually assaulted by the SAME MEN the semester before. I went to college in North Carolina, and I know that the football team at ASU is the team that brings in the most revenue for your university. So it blatantly brings the words, COVER UP, to my mind when I have heard how these young women have been treated and not protected at your University. It is a disgrace that the young men involved are still walking around your campus and are a threat to any young woman that they come in contact with. They are adults and they are responsible for their own behavior and they should be punished for the violently physical and moral choices that they made. So waht are you doing to stop these young men and to help these young ladies? These football players have ruined the lives of these young ladies and they have forced them to leave the school, ASU, that they loved and cherished. And for what? So the football team can continue on without blemish? I am sick to my stomach at the lack of support your University has provided to these two young women. You, as the Chancellor, should be ashamed of yourself.
Best Regards,
Kelly Waskey
(Aunt of one of the female victims)
do we have a substantiation on the charges pending yet or are we still doing the rumor thing
That’s the whole problem, appthunder90, isn’t it? No one outside of those involved really know what happened, and I must say the accusers and their confederates here on the board seem to be very careful not to shed any light on that. “He raped her” is not evidence, and while it may very well be true no fair-minded, intelligent person would believe it just because someone said so on a fan board.
Apparently the police have been notified. One would assume that an investigation has been conducted by qualified criminal justice professionals. If the police were in possession of real evidence, it’s very hard to believe they would not proceed with criminal charges. The legal deck is already pretty heavily stacked against the accused in these types of cases, since accusers remain anonymous while the name of the aledged perpetrator is dragged through the mud daily for a year or two.
If those who are speaking out on behalf of the women were serious about using this forum to garner support for their cause, they’re going to have to give readers some reason to believe their story. They might start by actually telling us what that story is, painful as that may be.
And BTW, the idea that the student honor court is an appropriate venue for hearing and considering a charge of this magnitude is ridiculous.
well said. i’m not saying that it it did or did not happen. im not convinced of either. i have a likely scenario in my head, but i will reserve judgement until some sort of evidence is brought to light, and/or a conviction by a criminal court is made. I also agree that student court is not the appropriate venue for such serious allegations.
I don’t think the legal deck is stacked against the accused. It is very hard to get a conviction in sexual assault cases. I’m sure there is a stat that backs that up, but just look at all of the high profile cases.
Its extremely difficult for everybody involved.
but clayton,
it was easy to get a conviction in student court that means the accused is guilty Guilty GUILTY cause I read it on the internets on the facebook.
My email regarding my overall concerns with this whole situations was sent to Cobb and Peacock. I received one response, from the Dean of Students, which basically said privacy laws prohibit any discussion of the topic. Regardless of the circumstances, this whole situation makes me sick to my stomach. I still find it nauseating that my alma mater has anything like this even allegedly taking place.
I will add that I have advised Cobb and Peacock that my ticket orders for 2012 will not be submitted until someone can provide enough information to make me believe that we do not have a much more serious problem on our campus. My overall concern at this point is that there seems to be a lack of structure in the disciplinary process. If we do not enforce the decisions of the Student Court, then why does thos body exist? It begs the question of who has the ultimate decision power on the campus and what rights do the students have?
Jamie
Not that I don’t mirror your nauseation at the idea that this has taken place, and again I don’t know whether it has or not. But I wanted to address a point that your post brought up.
“what rights do the students have?”
Due process is a right granted to all citizens in this country as is a trial by jury. The student court doesn’t have jurisdiction in this matter (at least in my opinion) because it does not have the capacity to deal with a situation of this magnitude. Student court is best suited for more petty issues dealing with the student code of conduct and the like. The wording in the code of conduct regarding any such alleged assault can be wildly different from what you or I might term rape. In fact, I haven’t looked because I have been out of town for a while. I wasn’t at the student court hearing so it is all speculation. As is almost everything that has been iterated up to this point. I have not seen a verifiable fact yet. If this truly occurred then I hope the wrath of every legal entity with any authority comes down harshly. I’m just not convinced because everything has been hearsay. There’s a lot of smoke but have we seen any fire? This issue must be treaded upon lightly and I would think the university would make some sort of press release of there is this much pressure. For what it’s worth, I have not received any campus crime alert emails from the campus police that I can recall regarding such an issue.
appthunder90- I am in 100% agreeance that due process is the right of the accused and I support this taking place. However, I do believe the students have the right to be informed that there are potentially dangerous individuals among them. At the very least, I would be making serious announcements and warnings that there have been reports of incidents and students need to use additional caution. Stress the fact that female students need to travel in pairs and remain vigilant. Heightened awareness can be created without the need to name anyone individually.
i definitely agree with that statement. one need look no further than a disturbingly similar case involving the duke lacrosse team a few years ago to see the importance of due process
on the other hand, asu police did send out a notification earlier this week that 2 students were attacked at brown brothers apartment complex. victims of a hate crime as far as i can tell. So they are doing that (making announcements to students about dangerous individuals/situations) to a certain extent