And the new favorite for toughest non-SoCon schedule announced so far goes to Furple. “Furman will play Missouri on Sept. 19 and Auburn on Nov. 7, marking the first time the Paladins have scheduled two Football Bowl Subdivision (formerly I-A) opponents in the same season since 1982.”
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Good for them! It sounds like a strong move.
This is what’s known as “plow in the hard ground.”
I wish we could play 2 FBS schools… would have been nice for armanti to show what he can do in the self proclaimed “big leagues”, would have helped his chances in the NFL draft.
We will try our best to represent the SoCon strong! Iam sure you will do the same when you visit the second rate Greenville of the Carolinas. It will be strange in two years when Armanti and Curry are gone from the SoCon, who will the next big stars be?
I’d rather go to Greenville, NC than Greenville, SC any day of the week. Do they still roll up the sidewalks at 10:00 pm in Furmanville?
drock,
Playing twice against FBS teams can be very harmful for an FCS team’s playoff seeding, even if the FCS team actually wins.
Look at last season. Weber State BEAT Montana and finished its season with one FCS loss, but also finished with two other losses to FBS teams. The playoff committee put them on the road for the playoffs. Montana lost only one game last year (again, to Weber State), but then again, they didn’t challenge themselves with competition like bowl-bound Hawaii or undefeated Utah, Weber State’s FBS foes in ’08. Naturally, the playoff committee gave Montana the #4 seed. And by the way, there was not some sort of three-way tie ala Texas Tech-Texas-Oklahoma; Weber owned the conference tiebreaker.
Do you need more evidence that playing & even beating FBS teams doesn’t help? In ’07, we finished the season with 2 losses. Except we also pulled off by far the greatest FCS victory over the “big boys” ever. The playoff committee gave us a no-seed; we’d have been on the road had McNeese State not been upset. In ’08, we also finished the season with 2 losses but owned nowhere near the kind of victory we did in ’07. So the playoff committee DID give us a seed.
I wish that losses to FBS teams were less damaging to our chances at a seed, as they were for Weber State, and that our victories against FBS teams meant more than they do (i.e., how does the ’08 team get a seed when the ’07 Giant Killers do not?). But since that’s the pattern the playoff committee has followed, it’s probably best for us to play just one FBS team a year, if we care about seedings.
greenville, nc is one of the ghettoist cities in NC
Opie,
If you honestly think that Greenville, NC is better than Greenville, SC, then perhaps you need to learn more about the SC version.
Greenville, SC is one of the best cities in the Carolinas, which is impressive when you consider the cities that are located in those two states. Asheville, Charleston, Charlotte, Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Durham, and, yes, Boone and Greenville, SC, all frequently appear on lists of the best places in the U.S. to live, work, play, retire, do business, etc.
For college campuses, the SC version has beautiful Furman with its lake, bell tower, chapel, high-class golf course, and Paris Mountain in the background. It also has North Greenville U 30 minutes north in the Blue Ridge foothills, Clemson U 45 minutes west on Lake Hartwell, and, well, Bob Jones University. (It ain’t perfect.)
The SC version has a vibrant, walkable downtown with hundreds of condos, shops, restaurants of all kinds, a performing arts center, a 16,000 seat arena, a minor league baseball stadium, and a gorgeous park with German-engineered pedestrian bridge overlooking a waterfall. Downtown Greenville, SC has thousands of people of every generation walking the streets every weekend of the year, not just during annual festivals.
Greenville, SC STILL has a stable real estate market even during this horrible economy, which is a sign of a great quality of life. Unemployment has hit the area, but not as severely as most places. It is a nice enough area that BMW and Michelin made it their North American headquarters. It is a nice enough area for Clemson to build its International Center for Automotive Research, which is its automotive engineering graduate school as well as a new research park.
Greenville, SC is located between Atlanta and Charlotte and is less than an hour from an escape to the mountains or the lake; it has an interesting, rolling topography with a 2,000 foot mountain in town, as opposed to a flat topography with no mountains, lake, or beach nearby.
I’m not as familiar with Greenville, NC, but I picture as a big Statesboro, or, at best, like Lafayette-West Lafayette, Indiana, where I now live: completely dependent on the local university for entertainment, growth, etc. It’s a nice town but can’t stand on its own.
If no one can tell, I was raised in Greenville, SC, and I find it amazing how people base their opinions on the city on some limited experience like a visit to Furman or Bob Jones, or even worse, from just driving up White Horse Road from Atlanta to Asheville or up I-85 from Atlanta to Charlotte.
If you see the whole picture, Greenville, SC is a great city, especially for its size.
By the way, I might be totally off on my assessment of Greenville, NC. I’ve only been there once, in the summer of 2000. Unfortunately, what I did see was an uneventful, fairly poor town with little else happening besides ECU.
Michael,
The rule is to ignore Opie, and not fall into his traps.
Craig,
I get that, but I think he was targeting the PurpleNation guy. If anything, he was complimenting Greenville, NC, which is in the same state as ASU and probably produces more ASU students than G’ville, SC.
Michael, probably the biggest reason the 07 team was unseeded was because they had two conference losses. The 2008 team went undefeated in the conference. I think that the Southern Conference had more nationally ranked teams in 2008 when compared to 2007 also, but I may be wrong with that.
Even if the 07 team lost two conference games, is that not more than trumped by the fact that the team was the only team ever to beat a Top 25 FBS team, let alone a Top 5 team? The 08 team, when faced with its two toughest opponents, lost.
It seems as though the penalty for a loss against a peer team weighs more heavily than the merits of beating a superior team.
In 07, if I remember correctly, The Citadel, GSU, Elon, Furman, Wofford, and App State (6 of
were ranked at different points of the season. In 08, each of those same teams (6 of 9) were also ranked; The Citadel dropped out quickly, though; Elon, Furman, Wofford, & ASU held a long presence in the Top 15, though they weren’t all there at the same time.
Michael works for the Greenville SC chamber of commerce apparently.
Jeez, dude. I like Greenville, NC better. I’ve had a lot of fun there. You’re forgetting the intangibles in your argument for the SC version.
And Greenville, NC is far bigger than either the SC version or Statesboro.
You know what amazes me? People who go off on 6 paragraph diatribes while admitting that they have little knowledge of the totality of the facts.
“And Greenville, NC is far bigger than either the SC version or Statesboro.
You know what amazes me? People who go off on 6 paragraph diatribes while admitting that they have little knowledge of the totality of the facts.”
Greenville County, SC: 395,357 (as of 2000)
Greenville, SC’s MSA: 601,986 (as of 2006)
Pitt County (NC): 145,619 (as of 2006)
Greenville, NC’s MSA: 172,473 (as of 2006)
Yeah…. the NC version is soooooooo much bigger. Its population w/in the city limits is bigger only because NC has more lax annexation laws. SC cities can’t annex squat.
So what besides “intangibles” makes the NC version so great?
And, no, I don’t work for the C of C, although I do aspire to work as in urban planner back in the Carolinas once I get out of the gloomy, we’ve-been-in-a-recession-since-the-60′s Midwest.
Hey Michael, maybe the people that does the rankings in FBS and FCS didn’t know how to treat the Apps over Michigan game because it had never happened before. I don’t know. Just throwing thoughts around.
As for intangibles in Greenville, SC?
Friendly people, family, great weather, lots of places to eat, places to hike/run, tailgaiting (if you’re a Furman fan), multiple cultures represented (as opposed to a sea mostly of southern white people and partly of southern black people), fun music scene available downtown & clubs around town, etc.
What are NC’s “intangibles”?
Moron michael, you said it yourself. G’ville, NC has a larger population in the city limits. You’re BS excuse about annexation laws can’t change the fact. What an idiot.
And the G’ville in NC has a better night life, and a far better college athletics atmosphere.
get over it. you lose.
“greenville, nc is one of the ghettoist cities in NC”
But coming from the stink that is a HUGE upgrade.
Oh and opie if you reach the Greenville, NC city limits you might want to purchase a kevlar body suit.
2005, our 8-3 with 2 FBS losses got us a #2 seed.
But, I’m not a fan of more than 1 FBS game a year because I prefer home games.
Greenville, SC vs. Greenville, NC? Really?
Boone beats both.
Only someone from Stinkboro would say that Greenville, NC is a great place. My best friend during my collegiate years at ASU was from Greenville NC and even he said the place was a dung heap. Just because you pulled a four day drunk there once doesn’t make it a great place to live, Dopie.
Oh that’s right. Greenville, NC has black people. Hence the hate from the hill-jacks on this site. Shocker.
For the last time, that “Stink” you smell is you upper lip.
I see too many people violating the sacred rules:
1. Ignore Opie.
2. Do not waste the valuable time God gives you on this planet reading his third-rate “blog”
3. Whether you are in Greenville, NC or Greenville, SC…always remember that Appalachian State will be there soon to take down your football team.
You’re accusing me of hate because I think it’s a good thing that G’ville, SC doesn’t have just white and black people like most cities in the south? I’m being racist by bragging on diversity? And when did I say that Greenville, SC doesn’t have black people? I said that it has more than just white AND black people.
Opie, if you think Greenville, NC is larger based solely on people living in the city limits, then you’re also dumb enough to believe that Jacksonville, Florida is larger than Atlanta, Boston, Miami, Baltimore, Tampa, San Francisco, Seattle, Denver, and Washington, DC. By your logic, the city that can barely support one pro sports team is CLEARLY larger that all those major cities.
Arguing with you kids can be hilarious.
I think your greenville fetsih is based on your fondness for purple undies.
Jamey, I love that comment!
Clayton, I agree with you, partially. From my perspective, Boone vs. Greenville is apples and oranges. I really love the place I grew up. It offers many things not just to me, but to lots of people that Boone never could. Boone, unfortunately, is still heavily skewed toward the 18-22 year old crowd and is still about 90% white; it doesn’t fully represent the real world. Now that I’m older, I like being around a more spread out group of people in terms of race, culture, and ages. Greenville has those kinds of things. For a city that’s not in the mountains or by the beach, it’s remarkable how much there is to do there. But Boone still crushes Greenville in terms of natural beauty, friendly people, outdoor activities, and it’s home to one of my two favorite places in the world (the other being the summer camp where I worked as a counselor & met my wife). I look back on my years living in Boone and think to myself how lucky I was to go to school there. People are willing to pay 3 to 4 times as much to live there as most places, and I got to live there at a price with one of the lowest tuitions in the state.
I am so glad my name isn’t Jaimey.
I am going to “pull an Edwards”, and name my son Brooks Crothers, or maybe Hugo Ross. haha
cheap suit.
Bob Jones
Opie’s just pissed because the stink doesn’t have sidewalks or other civilized items. Greenville, NC is just a grown up version of the stink. Both have all the negative items associated with coastal cities (the smell and dirt), but none of the positives (the beach). Must suck, I’d be bitter about life too.
Get off the mountain, Jethro. The thin air is getting to you. Georgia Southern has a beautiful campus by anybody’s standards.
I’ve never heard anyone say “yeah GSU’s campus looks great”, enjoy the smell of Statesboro.